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Joebud

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StickyBallz said:
Now my current question, what the fuck is up with this blueberry muffin,View attachment 112398View attachment 112399and what am I going to need to do to keep her happy?
The rest all are fine and lookin like the are headed in a great direction, she is sending flags up though.
Any thoughts?
Obviously she needs a good pruning and defoliation.
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Some times root diseases can look like nutrient deficiency. I would wait till the plant starts to wilt before watering again, just in case it is a root issue.
 
StickyBallz

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Streetpro09 said:
How close is the light?
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24-25 inches away from my main LED, Mars fc-e6500 at 100%,
Also started running today; side HPS 1000w which is more like four feet and going to be 75%, today it was 50%, however think I want 75%. But that just was turned on today so, not really a part of what's going on with it ATm.
Previously the plant had been probably 8- 12 inches away from the t-8 fixture it had been growing under.
 
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StickyBallz said:
24-25 inches away from my main LED, Mars fc-e6500 at 100%,
Also started running today; side HPS 1000w which is more like four feet and going to be 75%, today it was 50%, however think I want 75%. But that just was turned on today so, not really a part of what's going on with it ATm.
Previously the plant had been probably 8- 12 inches away from the t-8 fixture it had been growing under.
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The lower new growth looks to be good. Upper, i can't really tell with the glare in the pictures. It could definitely be a root issue like Joe mentioned. It could also just need more food.

Kinda looks like a magnesium issue maybe due to a ph issue in the soil?

Just a couple things to think about. Obviously you'll have to adjust something and see what happens. Either for the worse or better.

Have you checked ph and ppm of your runoff water of that plant? I know alot of this don't believe in this but it can definitely give you an idea of what is going on in the pot. Otherwise you're just guessing.
 
StickyBallz

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Joebud said:
Some times root diseases can look like nutrient deficiency. I would wait till the plant starts to wilt before watering again, just in case it is a root issue.
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If they weren't a unified field, I would be tempted to do that, however with them all pressing together- there is no way for me to dry it out without causing issues amongst the other. As well to continue to water the others, it would never dry out right.
Sad, Maybe I will be removing my most looked forward to addition(blueberry muffins was my top idea for my wedding cake x northern lights crossing) and seperate it from the field...
I do still have my back up here ready to fill the spot. I think Im gonna continue my watering start, it's a whole dance, got to get to my next step before I make such a call. Which is on day five of watering, I'll look at switching and doing a dry out if it's not any better by that day.
Today was merely it's first day of watering after two week dry out, and I don't feel like it looks worse. I'm gonna make sure to do a heavy sulfur base to my water tomorrow though.
Makes me contemplate running some h202 through it.
I'm just as concerned I missed some large rough debris in the media and it's getting some lock up surrounding media inconsistencies.
However my stupid brain says- just give her a shot of calmag plus and aspirin, she'll pull thru.
 
GrowsomethingBill

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I’m gonna say sulfur, magnesium, or nitrogen. Probably deficient, may just be a hungry strain. But that’s just my opinion and well sometimes I’m right and sometimes I’m not. Humidity, light intensity ,and ppms I’ve learned from here play a part in the uptake of nutrients.
 
StickyBallz

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Wendel said:
Care to share more information on the "initial two week dry out"? What is this for? Do you not water for 2 weeks?

Love your setup! Looks efficient.
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Sure thing and thank you,
it's an ever evolving beast.

So, I went to school for horticulture, organic, propagation, hydro, IPM, production of anything living basically. However main focus on strawberries and organic farming.

That was fifteen years ago, skip long life journey story here*.

Sorry for the preamble just figure it is important to note, I do have a basis for what I am saying.
There I learned a shit ton, however one of the main ones was when growing in a style where you are not feeding via solution, rather having them eat enriched media's, when you transplant- drying out as much as possible was of high emphasis.
And no matter what, it was a safe bet to run with 2 weeks, I might have pressed three if I had watered to run off with these huge 20 gal bags, however I didn't water to run off on intial(feel I may have had some slight issues due to this but sharp sides to every blade do exist.)
It allows the plant to grow into it's new home. Much like a hermit crab getting into a new shell and having to swell before it can rightly be comfortable hunting with the new shell.
I know that's a far or vast difference for a analogy, but it allows the plant to take it's time in it's new home.
As much as we human love to waterboard things and call it "love" it isn't the best methodology of getting a plant it's needed hydration. Lol.
I say this as someone who has had to beat the habit of over-watering out of myself thru exhaustion/burnout cause logic didn't serve. So, I get it, even if I mock it. Possibly why I do.
Anyways, no, I don't only water every two weeks, it's merely a transplant thing. I actually get to watering basically every day, at the same time, in the same manor with low amounts of water, each time pouring, waiting eleven minutes in between or as close as possible. Only if problems arise would I dry out again, from here out it's about getting them drinking it up and flipping to bloom, t minus 13 days. Worried they are gonna be HUGE. Never allowed myself to use the 20 gal bags on floor before so here it goes.
 
StickyBallz

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So media actually takes a very long time to dry out, especially if a plant doesn't have roots in it, so that initial dry out really allows the plant the time to a. Get over any shock(hopefully) and get established. When there is water continuing to flow thru, the plant isn't able to find its own way so to speak, as easily and it's pretty easy to get into hydro growing rather than using the media provided. It's much more likely it will shoot its roots down and out vs over and out. There is much more to it, but this is some of what happens in there.
 
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Removed my led over the attic, now it's running night timePXL_20220402_150325048.MP.jpggot major pruning and work to do with it.

Smoking on some of this P1 label, PXL_20220402_154903763.jpgfrom outdoor last year.love healthy seedsPXL_20220402_155539182.jpg Believe she is some candyland x BB. This is one of her babies, super shorter stature, good side branch dev, liking the way shes lookingPXL_20220402_162550922.jpg
She is x pdp like all the outdoor usually gets.
 
StickyBallz

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So back on the watering note, I was taught; we form these relationships with these plants. We teach or form them thru routines. So when I am reintroducing watering to them, I do one day water( I always perimeter aimed water in a C as to allow the plant some dryish area to hold stable with), then day two water, Day Three Skip- to remind it of not getting water. So I do that cycle making sure they are all drinking before I keep to daily watering. Sometimes I may make a call to skip a day here or there after the second cycle is set. If something goes wrong wrong I will have to make that call then, so far seems like it's full steam ahead, shy of any small concerns(pretty sure that blueberry muffin will correct once she gets situated better into the media well)
I'm really digging the structure of this clone I picked up of Hindu kushPXL_20220402_164944969.jpg
 
StickyBallz

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Top dressed these clones which I'm not gonna be able to work into my schedule and transplant to a larger containers.PXL_20220402_172836492.jpg
Gave them EWC and neem seed meal, as a IPM measure and a food mixed purpose. Gonna probably spread some DE on all these and do a early azo treatment as the warmer weather approaches it kinda dictates it.
The triangle kush on the right close side is just such a monster, looking to dominate the space, had to stop her in two places.
 
StickyBallz

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Gonna be doing a prune session tomorrow on the floorPXL_20220403_154403181.jpgthinking about giving it a bio tea, seeing as how I'm running Organic method with this batch. Might do a compost, kelp meal, EWC, molasses tea might go ahead and toss in some recovery bios to boot; bubbled over night for them.
 
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Thinking about this Oregon diesel, supposedly, it blooms at something like 8hours of darkness, right now I run my veg at 6 hours darkness. considering plants don't really count light hours, they count dark; I find it preferable to refer to that.
Actually I read on some other obscure site, someone did some tests with increasing light hours but keeping twelve darkness during flowering- thus creating different length "days", long and short of it, person said they found increasing to 21.5 hours of light only helped during week three and four of flower.
Pain in the ass as our timers aren't made for it. The risks of stressing me out scare me from doing it, besides the commitment.
Anyways, is it really worth it, I dunno but it definitely was interesting.
Right, back to what I was thinking about doing with the Oregon diesel when I cross by this wedding cake x northern lights. I was thinking I may do a two hundred crack of solely it, start it out and do a hydro run that way I keep them in 2 gals bags their whole life and can do trays of six, pack my area as per usual, however flip them to sixteen and only keep the ones which turn early.
So depends on how she performs, she was a little wimpy on the go, however she's a clone; so I try not to get too judgy.
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Zaphod420

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StickyBallz said:
Thinking about this Oregon diesel, supposedly, it blooms at something like 8hours of darkness, right now I run my veg at 6 hours darkness. considering plants don't really count light hours, they count dark; I find it preferable to refer to that.
Actually I read on some other obscure site, someone did some tests with increasing light hours but keeping twelve darkness during flowering- thus creating different length "days", long and short of it, person said they found increasing to 21.5 hours of light only helped during week three and four of flower.
Pain in the ass as our timers aren't made for it. The risks of stressing me out scare me from doing it, besides the commitment.
Anyways, is it really worth it, I dunno but it definitely was interesting.
Right, back to what I was thinking about doing with the Oregon diesel when I cross by this wedding cake x northern lights. I was thinking I may do a two hundred crack of solely it, start it out and do a hydro run that way I keep them in 2 gals bags their whole life and can do trays of six, pack my area as per usual, however flip them to sixteen and only keep the ones which turn early.
So depends on how she performs, she was a little wimpy on the go, however she's a clone; so I try not to get too judgy.
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Huh.... That is interesting SB. It's like the Gas Lattern Routine But in the other direction. Unless those tests show a considerable jump in yield or significant bump in quality I don't think I would try a 21.5 hour on 8 hour off light cycle unless you have the ability like @TreeFarmerCharlie to program a custom timer/light controller. That sounds like you would basically have to become the timer and that doesn't always work well some days.
 
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Zaphod420 said:
Huh.... That is interesting SB. It's like the Gas Lattern Routine But in the other direction. Unless those tests show a considerable jump in yield or significant bump in quality I don't think I would try a 21.5 hour on 8 hour off light cycle unless you have the ability like @TreeFarmerCharlie to program a custom timer/light controller. That sounds like you would basically have to become the timer and that doesn't always work well some days.
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Yah that's supposedly what the dude did was have to fill in as the timer.
I believed his post. His went into a lot of detail. Anyways.. funny shit one can find on the internet huh. Lol.
Yeah, he said after numerous testings, that as stated, the only positive his numbers and recordings indicated was the group which was exposed to the longer day at the 3-4 week of blooming.
He said it was quite significant. Even had numbers, I think; was some years ago I read his stuff.
Yah, make me jeally over infrastructure, that's pretty cool, this digital age we live in is pretty awesome. So much cool tech.
 
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