#Heisenbeans Genetics

Capt C

Capt C

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spyralout said:
Thanks for the insight Cap'n. Yea was thinking of changing out the solution for straight tap to see how that goes. I got a lotta chlorine in the tap but past veg clones did fine with it.
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The tap that has the chlorine can be dealt with in one of two ways. Install a charcoal filter or pour in open bucket for 24 hr's. The chlorine should dissipate in that length of time. I am not saying that you should not use the clonex solution( not clonex gel) in the reservoir and if it does root quicker i will use it myself.
 
pleasecheese

pleasecheese

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El Viento said:
When I clone - I use straight water and always get %100.....clone juice, gel, dust, powder, ez cloners, humidity domes, etc.,.......they're like cigarettes in that Im surprised people still use them.

Literally, just straight water. The trick is getting the clone to drink on its own via its cut stem...and that only takes about 36 hours....

ANYBODY that disagrees with this method and has a plant with a nodal shoot they're willing to test this on, I urge you to try it.....View attachment 11819View attachment 11820

Not one of these clones saw any water or any humidity dome....unless it's TRULY TRULY struggling - which given the survival desire of our beloved plant, should be very minimal....
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also you dont need to submerge the entire "root zone" just maybe an inch of water at the bottom. If you leave a "cleet" from the donor they root faster
 
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El Viento

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So the method is very easy and this isnt snake oilsmen sales either...

First, the obvious.....cut your shoot...(I learned scion is the tech' term for a clone)....
Second, and this is MOST IMPORTANT.....Place your cut clone immediately into water ...(I use hollow plastic tubes to help keep the stem straight while soaking)....
Leave that cut clone in water for at LEAST 36 hours...(I've gone as long as 60+ hours due to time issues ....but I replaced the water every day or so).....

Here's the trick though.....

When you have that clone soaking for 36+ hours, leave it in the SAME EXACT ENVIRONMENT as the donor plant BUT in a very shaded area....same light schedule as the donor and everything......(DO NOT PLACE IT IN A HUMIDITY DOME AFTER THE CUT AT ALL -IT MUST BE LIKE IT WAS NEVER CUT FROM THE PLANT....

In the first 5-6 of the 36+ hours, you'll see the clone wilt.....but, it WILL rebound and look as if YOU NEVER CUT THE CLONE to begin with.....top off the water as necessary and you've got a sure thing to plant.....after the water soak, I put them into rockwool and a coco base and off they go....

In the 36 hours soak, the cutting learns to soak up water thru it's cut stem while also adjusting to the shock somewhat.....but, when you leave it in its same environment-it absolutely adjusts and goes on as usual.....not kidding.....

Try it and get back to the forum to report....
 
pleasecheese

pleasecheese

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gwheels said:
You just cut them at a 45 degree angle and put them in plain tap water? Warm temp and thats all?

I have no room or id give it a go :D
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yes, doesnt even need to be a 45 really. just cut scrape and put in water. You will need a node or two of course for roots to come out of, and make sure you change the water out every few days, but thats it, very easy. here is one i havent planted yet.roots.jpg
 
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El Viento

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And yes, just normal room temp water....no nutes....no anything, just water.....

After placing them in RW and Coco, I ONLY GIVE WATER for maybe 4-5 days and then a %25 nutes/%75 water for maybe 2 days and go up from there. In like 6-7 days, you'll totally see the new growth starting......

I have found that putting the cuttings (after the 36+ soak and after they've been placed into the grow medium) on a heat pad or may helps them root a bit quicker.
Seriously though, when you try it on one clone - you'll be kinda bummed that you didn't try it on more. SMILE.
 
pleasecheese

pleasecheese

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on this one i left a "cleet" from the donor and it is interesting because it formed that root at the bottom immediately after a couple days now the other roots are forming above the water line. so there is esentially two root zones it looks like. the water line is right in the middle of both. this one has been in there a little over a week.
roots2.jpg
 
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El Viento

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And my apologies forum members.....I totally don't want to come off as being heavy handed in the cigarette comment - sarcastic joking comparisons doesn't fly off the screen as well as intended, so I didn't mean to and hope I didn't offend anyone by that. I enjoy cannabis daily - multiple times in a day in fact, so I have no room to talk about anybody with my dumb a**......
 
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El Viento

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pleasecheese said:
on this one i left a "cleet" from the donor and it is interesting because it formed that root at the bottom immediately after a couple days now the other roots are forming above the water line. so there is esentially two root zones it looks like. the water line is right in the middle of both. this one has been in there a little over a week.
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The upturned plastic bottle is genius ! ! !
 
Heisen

Heisen

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El Viento said:
When I clone - I use straight water and always get %100.....clone juice, gel, dust, powder, ez cloners, humidity domes, etc.,.......they're like cigarettes in that Im surprised people still use them.

Literally, just straight water. The trick is getting the clone to drink on its own via its cut stem...and that only takes about 36 hours....

ANYBODY that disagrees with this method and has a plant with a nodal shoot they're willing to test this on, I urge you to try it.....View attachment 11819View attachment 11820

Not one of these clones saw any water or any humidity dome....unless it's TRULY TRULY struggling - which given the survival desire of our beloved plant, should be very minimal....
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I'd be happy to send you a couple gallons of my water and see how how your percentage looks. It will turn a sediment filter brown in 3 hrs of use. I think the whole point in the discussion is that everyone's water supply is different. Some guys can hydro and never have to use anything but water and nutes and yay for them but some of us are not so lucky
 
TerpyTyrone

TerpyTyrone

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Heisenbeans said:
I'd be happy to send you a couple gallons of my water and see how how your percentage looks. It will turn a sediment filter brown in 3 hrs of use. I think the whole point in the discussion is that everyone's water supply is different. Some guys can hydro and never have to use anything but water and nutes and yay for them but some of us are not so lucky
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My neighbor has great water. His well is 50 foot to the North of mine. Fucker!
 
Capt C

Capt C

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Heisenbeans said:
I'd be happy to send you a couple gallons of my water and see how how your percentage looks. It will turn a sediment filter brown in 3 hrs of use. I think the whole point in the discussion is that everyone's water supply is different. Some guys can hydro and never have to use anything but water and nutes and yay for them but some of us are not so lucky
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That is a good point. The ppm of the tap should be stated.
 
Capt C

Capt C

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Dustjesus said:
I've found ppm to be a poor representation of water quality myself. It is our only real way to measure so we all do it. But I've seen great water at 350 and 100. Also bad at the same readings. What the ppm is comprised of is the real question.
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I am assuming that a water test would provide that information. @Dustjesus once we have that information where would be a good place to research what would be considered good water and bad water. I guess that is the good thing about RO water.
 
gwheels

gwheels

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Where I live you can get a water report from the city but why does it go from 450 to 750 PPM all over the place. I measure it all the time.
No idea. I just know the tap water sucks. RO is the only way it works right for me. It is a lot to do with the water coming being some of the hardest around. Add chloramine and whatever the hell else is in it and...

Water quality can be a real bitch for some people. I

My filters were almost done on the machine but it would tame it to 100ppm of whatever and that was workable.
 
pleasecheese

pleasecheese

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Capt C said:
I am assuming that a water test would provide that information. @Dustjesus once we have that information where would be a good place to research what would be considered good water and bad water. I guess that is the good thing about RO water.
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i think you can get it done at home depot for free. they also sell test kits. im lucky to have "good" tap water
 
Heisen

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gwheels said:
Where I live you can get a water report from the city but why does it go from 450 to 750 PPM all over the place. I measure it all the time.
No idea. I just know the tap water sucks. RO is the only way it works right for me. It is a lot to do with the water coming being some of the hardest around. Add chloramine and whatever the hell else is in it and...

Water quality can be a real bitch for some people. I

My filters were almost done on the machine but it would tame it to 100ppm of whatever and that was workable.
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Ro is a good step but doesnt remove any pathogens.
 
spyralout

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Heisenbeans said:
Plugs FTW. I get roots in 5 days across the board. Took me a couple years to actually perfect my cloning to 100.percent. I cant afford to lose clones with several tables waiting for cuts. Woody stems will take longer than green softer stems. To high a GA on soft stems will rot em. 0.3 and below good for soft stems. Woody stems need 0.5
Aero cloners are great for good water but I just dont have the time or patience to chance losing clones when I have to have them. You can use bleach or pool shock but it inhibits root growth over 2 ppm. Me and @Dustjesus did a really good comparison last year testing out different ppm levels of free chlorine and shit. The results I had was super interesting but I decided to keep it to myself honestly cause there is so much misinformation about dwc hydro systems and tea formulas and pool shock and UC roots which is not pool shock at all BTW. It's basically pasteurized bleach water which took me 2 weeks to get to the bottom of it to fund out exactly wtf it is.
Final.results were heisenberg tea in an aero or DWC for explosive root growth. Warmer temp the faster the roots.

Plugs for the win at 84 foot zone temp and GA at .3

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Sorry for the noob questions -
- what is GA?
- heisenberg tea - your tea recipe that you posted on here or another one with that name seen on another site?
Thanks
 
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